in the panel. joining me here in danville. steve hayes, senior writer for the "weekly standard." and juan williams, columnist with the hill. and from washington, this is a privilege because his nats are playing, syndicated columnist charles krauthammer. charles, we know it's 1-1. we start with you. your thoughts? >> well, look, normally, historically there has never been a vice presidential debate that affected a presidential election. i think the reason it might be different this time is that democrats biden is going to try to relitigate the catastrophic presidential debate. whether was unusual about -- what was unusual about the first presidential debate, it was so decisive. 7-1 advantage in public opinion for romney. and second, it was decisive without a zinger, without a gaffe. device i on point. it was romney piling up arguments, facts, about what he would do, what obama had done. won him the debate. so that gives a opportunity to the democrats in this debate to try to undo that with what we heard from stephanie cutter that either the republicans are lying about what they want to do.